Turkish Navy Helicopter flying over a Greek island at 65m altitude

January 11, 2012 | Filed under: Air Force,Featured News

On Tuesday, a Turkish S-70B6 Seahawk helicopter flew over the Greek island of Ro at an altitude of just 65 meters! This is a new provocation in the area of the island of Kastelorizo, more serious compared to the overflight of two Turkish RF-4E fighter jets over Kastelorizo at 300m altitude two months ago.

The helicopter did not take off from the nearby Turkish naval base of Aksaz, but from the air base in Dalaman which is well north. This is important: It is clear that a surprise was attempted. A Navy helicopter solo flight from Aksaz towards the south region of Kastelorizo, would be directly observed by the Greek Air Defense system.

A flight from Dalaman Airport to the south can have a variety of destinations, but due to the distance, almost never reach the island of Kastelorizo and the cluster of islands and islets in the region (Ro, Stroggyli, etc). In this case the helicopter was on the Greek early warning radar system, but became a concern when it moved just 10 miles before reaching the sea.

The helicopter entered the Athens FIR without filing a flight plan.The overflight at an altitude of 200 feet (65 meters) took place at 15:24. The Turkish helicopter left the Greek National Airspace and the Greek FIR before the Greek jet fighters that were scrambled for the interception reached the area.

In another incident later on Tuesday, six Turkish planes entered Greek airspace without submitting flight plans on Monday evening. The six aircraft entered the Athens Flight Information Region (FIR) between the islands of Lesvos and Chios, a short distance from the western Anatolian coast line. Two infringements of air traffic regulations on the Athens FIR were recorded that later developed into 5 violations of national airspace. The Turkish planes were chased out by Greek fighter jets and promptly left the Athens FIR at about 8.40pm.

Sources:
defencenet.gr
athensnews.gr

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  • Phoevos

    How many Greek islands are there in the Kastellorizo complex? 11 or more?

    “At the south easternmost edge of Greek dominion, spreads out the calm beauty of Kastellorizo. Belying former grandeur the island of Megisti, as it is officially known even from ancient times, derives its name from the Greek word meaning “largest” because it happens to be the largest island in a picturesque cluster surrounding it. The total area of this “polynesia” (island complex) is 11.9 square Kms. It is a mountainous and rocky island. The colorful capital and port is built amphitheatrically around a windless bay on the north western coast.

    Little is known concerning the islands ancient history due to the few written accounts referring to it and the fewer still systematic excavations carried out on Kastellorizo. Neolithic tools, pre-historic walls, stone hewn tombs, a gold crown from the Mycenaean period, Doric inscriptions and other findings pay witness to the fact that the island has been inhabited continuously from very ancient times.

    The safe, natural harbour on the north western coast has always been the islands greatest geophysical gift, as it is unique in the large harbourless surrounding area. Naturally, it once generated an important amount of economic and nautical trade, standing as it does at the crossroads of Europe, Aia Minor and Egypt. ”

    http://www.megisti.info/

    • Phoevos

      On this site, I counted 14 islands. See if you math is the same (don’t foget to count 2 when indicated):

      Kastelorizo is accompanied by a group of smaller islands and islets:
      1. Agios Georgios
      2. Agrielaea
      3-4 Voutsakia (two islets)
      5-6 Megalo Mavropini and Mikro Mavropini
      7-8 Polyfados (two islets)
      9. Ro
      10. Savoura
      11. Strongyli
      12. Tragonera
      13. Psomi, and
      14. Psoradia, together forming a small archipelago designated as the Municipality of Megisti.

      http://www.windmillstravel.com/destination.php?id=67&type=island

  • Sikoseto

    What are they trying to prove? That they’re idiots
    they’re doing a hell of a job of blowing their EU candidacy

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_RHSNCCHMVRCXAIP5OWSWVODI4A Eitan

    Next time, just shoot down fighter aircraft, do not chase, unless you want this perverted form of testing your defences to continue. The Hellenic Air Force has already shot down once a TAF F16.
    Regarding helos, the same applies, this was a well planned mission. Helicopters will be used to bring in Turkish special forces. Then to be followed by either amphibious or other means.
    Turkey has a very unstable extreme Islamic leader who believes in a Turkish Caliphate, that will no doubt happen unless action be taken, for the mineral wealth is the ultimate prize. Turkey will go downhill as Europe recedes into a full blown recession.

    Eitan-Golan. Israel.

  • FredNordblo

    My belief is the game the Turks are playing is to provoke a military reaction by Greece in order to use it as an ‘excuse’ to invade the Kastellorizo complex of islands and thereby gaining their long sought after EEZ in the Mediterranean. I know, I know, it would be an illegal move on their part, condemned by the UN, but look at what they are getting away with in Cyprus. The precedent has already been set and it continues still.

    • Nobletool

      Hello FredNordblo
      Right!
      I agree 100% with you.

    • Tyroneez

      @Frednordblo
      It’s quite possible , that turkey is trying to provoke an incident , i’n an attempt to , portray Greece as an aggressor …
      Shouting Down a helicopter , would be a public Relations disaster for Greece , with regard to Turkish public opinion , not to mention the rest of the world …
      All the Turks have to say is the helicopter strayed over Greek territory by mistake …
      It would have to be a lot more than a helicopter , to justify a mitary response …
      These Turkish games are a huge risk for turkey .. And could easily backfire …
      Look at the mavi marmara and all it’s unforeseen conciseness consequences !!!

      • Simple simon

        @ tyroneez
        Not unusual for turkey to try such tactics. Operation Thunderstorm (Oraj) and the Suga plan which happened quite recently in Turkey are 2 examples. Conspirators hoped to portray the Turkish government as inept and incapable of handling the threat coming from Greece by secretly provoking the Greek Airforce and Navy. It was hoped that it would stir and escalate a crisis to help secure a declaration of marshal law by Parliament in provinces such as İstanbul. The military would then be empowered to crush the Turkish Government. Prosecutors believe the Oraj plan was masterminded by Bilgin Balanlı, who was the air chief marshal at the time and next in line to become the chief of the Turkish Air Force.There was a military overthrow in 1980 which was the last and bloodiest of Turkey’s coups. The others took place in 1960 and 1971. The military also forced out a coalition government in 1997. Turkey is currently trialing and jailing many Generals as part of their Nations “modernisation plans.” Let us hope this is just another “stom in a tea cup”

        • Tyroneez

          “simple simon above
          Exactly …
          provoking external crisis , is a common tactic used by (corrupt populist governments) , as a cheap and underhand way to win domestic popularity , with the unsophisticated masses …
          Of course the more sophisticated the society , the less easy it is to play this game …
          But as The average citizen in turkey , has already been persuaded that during WWI their unarmed Christian fellow ottoman citizens (the Armenians , Greeks and Assyrian Christians) actually attacked them … and therefore had to be murdered (every man , woman and child including the baby’s) …
          Of course they will believe that they are threatened by little Cyprus and Greece ..
          This is why I have to admire George papandraeou , who absolutely refused to ever try and get out of a difficult political corner … By ratcheting up the rhetoric on foreign policy crises with turkey … just to bolster his domestic position …
          Unlike his Turkish canterpart …
          In fact most Greek political leaders have refrained from such crass tactics …
          Probably because the Greek public cannot be fooled about these matters , being very well informed about these foreign policy issues …
          Which doesn’t say much about the level of awareness of the Turkish citizenry !!!
          Not questioning mr Erdogans and that buffoons dautoglou , motives for creating crisis with and then threatening Cyprus , Greece , Armenia and israel …???
          I mean how naive do you have to be ???

    • gialiskari

      Please read the history files about Cyprus! What triggered the Turks to invade? Yes, an coup d’etat 1974 in Cyprus by Mr Nikos Sampson, remote controlled by a certain junta of colonels that violated the aggrement of stationing troops on Cyprus.

      When Cyprus became independent in the 60:s threee countries agreed to guarantee its independency. Those three countries were Great Britain, Greece and Turkey.

      From where was the junta? Turkey? No, it was the Greek military regims “last” job before they fell in 1974. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_military_junta_of_1967%E2%80%931974

      So that a great part of Cyprus sees a lot of the Turkish army now is to blaim on the Greek government of 1974 and the Cyprus EOKA movement. The coup when his holiness, archbischop Makarios was kicked out as president became the reason for Turkey to “invade” claiming they came, accordingly to the agreement of providing security for Cyprus, and of course mostly for the Turkish-Cypriot community.

      Best rgds

      • AHamilton

        And if you had read the Treaty of Guarantee which Turkey is one of the guarantor powers to Cyprus, you would know that Turkey could intervene as long as it needed to restore the state of affairs as outlined in the Treaty of 1960. That means that any intervention would only be required only to restore Cyprus as a bi-communal independent state of single sovereignty and to guarante its territorial integrity and security. Turkey does the opposite of this and therefore, in addition to numerous UN resolutions, is in violation of the Treaty. It sounds more like an illegal occupation or colonialism to me. Let’s stop pretending that it’s not. The Republic of Cyprus does not threaten Turkey and since the borders were opened several years ago, there hve been millions of border crossings WITHOUT A SINGLE INCIDENT.

        • Tyroneez

          @ HAMILTON ABOVE

          EXCTACTLY….
          INTERVENTION IS PERMITTED …
          PARTITION IS NOT …

          • kodlu ulusdagi

            You’re playing semantic games. Greek cypriots overrode the 1960 regime by attacking Turkish cypriots in 1963-67 and ethnic cleansing 103 villages. Greece sent 5,000+ soldiers to Cyprus in 1966-67 which it had to withdraw after being threatened with war. All this did not happen in a vacuum. Also, if you want to blame someone else besides Turkey, Sampson, Greece, blame Britain, Ecevit went to Callahan [PM of Britain] on 17-18 July 1974, after the Coup asking for joint intervention but perfidious Albion refused, it even refused allowing its bases to be used. US was in the dying days of the Nixon administration, the rest is history, as they say.

            Greeks overreached in Cyprus twice, and lost each time. They should have taken Annan in 2004. That opportunity won’t come back, ever.

          • FredNordblo

            That’s all nice and good Kodlu but it is still an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation. Turkey has not complied with its obligations per the numerous UN resolutions and violates the Geneva Convention by settling Anatolian Turks on the island to change the demographics. You cannot argue that this so-called “peace operation” is occupation and colonialism at its finest. Tell Erdogan to stop lecturing France on Algeria. He should look at what’s going on in Cyprus. Hypocrite.

      • Solinariforever

        gialiskari: You have to acknowledge the world’s negative reaction (fact) to Turkey’s unreasonable demands on keeping Cyprus hostage. Think, why there has been no world condemnation against the Greek side negative vote on the Anan plan.Why is the world quietly not taking the Turkish side – to have a free election there must be NO OCCUPYING POWER. You must think the Greeks for fools to vote yes to the plan leaving 60000 Turkish military on the island! Turkey should abandon the Ottoman doctrine, free Cyprus and join the European community – Can you imagine a peaceful Turkey amongst peace-loving nations? that would be something indeed. You are talking about indepedent Cyprus, yet you ignore who achived this! EOKA thats WHO! Turks and Greeks would still be subserbien to the damn British.

    • Phoevos

      No. Actually it’s subtler than this.

      The Kastellorizo(aka Megisti) complex by itself has an EEZ(AOZ) of 23,000 km2. To imagine who big this is, it’s about 1/6th of the entire continental Greece’s land surface of 132,000 km2.

      It’s because of the Megisti/Kastellorizo EEZ (AOZ) that the EEZs of Cyprus and Greece are connected.

      So, the Turkish game is not to provoke a military confrontation about these islands but simply to deny their EEZ sphere of influence because under such scenario the Egyptian and Turkish EEZs unite at the expense of Greece.

      It’s a purely psychological game of pressure designed to confuse and obscure the real issue.

      You can see it here for yourself by clicking on the map:

      http://www.seaaroundus.org/eez/300.aspx

      • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

        ***http://www.seaaroundus.org/eez/300.aspx***

        LOLOLOOLL. WTF?

        Please Phoevos, tell me where is the Turkey`s EEZ in this map? According to the map here, i think our EEZ only consists of my bathtub in İzmir, am i right? lmao?

        So, this means that Turkey with more than 7500 km. of maritime borders absolutely have no EEZ but Greece with half of our maritime borders, have an EEZ nearly covering whole mediterranean sea !!!

        Sometimes i cannot comprehend whether you are joking or serious. Actually, most of the time, thats the case.

        • Phoevos

          Onur: No joking whatsoever. Here is the Turkish EEZ:

          http://www.seaaroundus.org/eez/794.aspx and,

          http://www.seaaroundus.org/eez/793.aspx

          If you don’t understand the power of remote islands in the formation of EEZs, frankly that’s not my problem.

          Greece’s task is not to teach ingoramuses. If you think you have a case then take it up with the rest of the world. Case closed.

          • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

            If you think that the small rocks [supposedly owned by Greece from 1000 miles away for some weird reason] on the aegean and mediterranean would supposedly give you the whole sea as your EEZ, then i say that you are simply dreaming.

            Go ahead, announce this map as your EEZ then i think that another “Casus Belli” is coming from the Turkish parliament. AND, i will suggest same thing to you about that;
            “If you think you have a case then take it up with the rest of the world. Case closed”

          • Phoevos

            Onur: When was the last time you saw the EEZ of France? which is the 2nd largest EEZ in the world? France has EEZ from little islands thousands of miles away from France which is a multiple of continental France’s EEZ. The remote rocks as you call them are the name of the game. If you don’t have them just start looking towards lake Van and Central Asia to pick up arguments with your neighbors. What casus belli are you talkng about? You think Turkey can declare casus belli for EU territories and for issues which all other European countries have all signed up for? When was the last time you read European law?

          • AHamilton

            There is no reasoning with Onur who makes up statistics and speaks from his rear end without facts. Please don’t give him the satisfaction of a response. He is a troll.

          • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

            Yes we did declare casus belli for your idiotic 12 miles claim because of these small rocks again;

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli#Greece_and_Turkey

            We can declare it again if anyone in Greek government dares to show that map and claim it as supposed Greek EEZ.

            AND yes, Turkey does whatever it takes to protect it`s sovereignty regardless if it`s against Greece or the bankrupt EUSSR. Greece being an EUSSR member or not, that makes zero difference to our policies if it`s about our sovereignty. You should have understood that by now but you insists not to. You always think like being EUSSR member supposedly “means” something. They cant even save you from bankruptcy at all.

          • Phoevos

            Onur, don’t be stupid. You can do nothing. Absolutely nothing. It’s a done deal.

          • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

            Phoevos, since the day Turkey declared the casus belli, not even one Greek ship dared to get pass 6 miles plus international waters on the Aegean. It will be same again if Greece dares to declare that map as your mythical EEZ.

            According to your map, you are able to send your gas extraction ships right in our shores, front of my house where i can see Judeo-American oil ships from my window!!! Then go ahead if it`s “done deal”, i can sabotage that ships by throwing stones if necessary. You can be sure that 80 million people here would do the same.

            But i am just laughing at you and your wretchedness because you guys are really think like this is a “done deal”. Keep living in fantasies dude because the realities is not good for you; a bankrupt state and union, poor people, sad sad sad…

          • Phoevos

            Onur: There is nothing worth exploring outside your house. Relax.

          • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

            I was recommending the same to you; There is nothing worth something to you, outside your fantasies. So relax and keep daydreaming.

          • Phoevos

            Onur. o.k. But it’s a done deal.

          • RIGHTbutJUSTright

            the reason is not just casus belli declared by turkey. the reason behind the casus belli declaration is that greece has breaching the principle of being fair to share the aegean. besides greece’s approach is opportunist and illegal. because it is not considering aegean sea’s unique and special condition.

            Why? because greeks are greedy.

            We have to be ready that soon greeks of greece can declare eez even in marmara sea!!!

          • Tyroneez

            @WRONGbutJUSTwrong above
            How can you talk about Greece being greedy …
            When The whole Aegean is sprinkled with Greek inhabited islands …
            Turkish greed and insatiable appetite for other peoples property , knows no bounds …
            Are we to understand that you think that these islands (that have had a Greek population since the beginning of time) … Are actually sitting in Turkish waters …???
            Dont you think That this Turkish argument is just absurdly ridiculous …???
            I would Imagine if they were Turkish islands … And Greece said that their surrounding waters should be Greek … You would almost certainly disagree …and argue the opposite …
            Not only is Turkey not satisfied with stealing the whole of coastal Anatolia , Constantinople , Eastern Thrace , Smyrna , Pontus , Trabson , imbros , tenedos … The princes islands … Western armenia … Kurdistan ..Alexandretta .. And Northern Cyprus …All of which had a majority Greek and Armenian and assyrian population until 1922 …
            They now want the little bits of land that is left to the Greeks …
            Obviously if Greece were to accept that half the Aegean is Turkish then the islands there will be lost …so you are asking the impossible …
            Ask yourself who is really being greedy …
            Of course Greece will resist this latest attempt at a cheap land grab …Greece has no choice but to defend them , it’s all they have got left …
            As to your comments about the sea of marmara , ( maybe greece should put in a claim for them and their EEZ …)
            the princes islands which are in the middle of this sea … had a Greek majority population from the beginning of history until 1974 …
            And look what happened to them , even though these Greeks had been loyal citizens of the turkish republic since 1922 … They were dispossesed and cruelly and genocidally expelled …
            Greece will never allow the same fate to befall the Aegean islands and their people …Turkey cannot even be trusted to uphold the human rights of the Turks , let alone anybody else ..
            Greece lost over a million dead in WWII fighting Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany … TO LIBERATE these GREEK inhabited DODECANESE ISLANDS …
            They will never ever surrender them to the Turks …
            They always have and they always will belong to the inhabitants who live there … And these inhabitants happen to be Greek …
            How can that … By any stretch of the imagination be described as GREEDY …
            Are you actually telling me … That if a thief breaks into and demands your house and possessions … And you refuse …Are you being greedy ?
            Or is the thief … The greedy one ??
            Your outrageous views on this matter … Are just wrong on so many levels , it’s hard for me to know were to begin !!!

          • ben solo

            Yes we all,and now what are you going to say?
            Dont forget to mention Armenia,Kurdistan,Cyprus evry time you comment ok?Did i forget something if i did please remind me EVRYTIMEyou comment on an issue ok?

          • Tyroneez

            Dear ben above
            Have you no Shame , how can you say “YOU WANT IT ALL” and then say , you cannot understand why we have a problem …
            You already got it all after WWI … The Greeks were left with the little bits of rock out at sea …
            Just because now you think there may be oil and gas there … You are demanding these rocks too …(actually there is no gas and oil in the eastern Aegean) it’s just the islands your government is after …
            Maybe you don’t think that is greedy ??
            But surely you can understand that the Greeks have no choice but to fight … Even if they lose …
            Please tell me Were do you expect the Greeks to go to ???

          • ben solo

            The start of my post should be ;Yes we want all

          • RIGHTbutJUSTright

            france situatin is so different than the circumstance between turkey and greece. france is not appropriate sample for the greece-based problem on the aegean!

          • Sikoseto

            LOL Onur you just got slammed you dumb bastard

          • Solinariforever

            Onur: The rest of the world has spoken! the above maps are true. If Turkey gets its nerve and actually negociates in good faith there is probably room to get some kind of arrangement with Greece for a better outlook on the Turkish EEZ alond the Aegean and the eastern Med. However, Turkey’s forcing everything to political solution will not be fruitful for them. Good luck on putting Turkey on the muslim calendar! 500 years backwards.

          • E L L I N A S

            ONUR AND THE REST OF THE HOMOS IN THAT AREA U CALL turkey!!WE THE ELLINES!! HAVE A MESSAGE TO U!! KEEP AWAY FROM THE AIGEAN SEA!! U HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH YOUR FASCHIST GOVERNMENT -CIRCUS OF THE CLOWNS ERDOGAN-DAVUDOGLOU-BAGIS AND THE REST OF THOSE YO-YOS!!AISIKTIR TURK BUDALA,TSOGLANERI!!

          • Tyroneez

            @ellinas above
            Your point about …Turks keep your hands of the Aegean …
            Is absolutely the correct one …
            But why you think that homosexuals … Equate with big time imperialist bullies …. I dont know
            It’s a double insult to homosexuals …
            1/ that calling someone gay is somehow an insult …
            2/ that gays are somehow cowards …
            You obviously don’t know your history …
            Or human nature …
            Some of the greatest heros and fighters were homosexual or bi-sexual …
            Alexander the great
            Julius caesar
            To name but two …
            Oh and before the Turks start getting all superior … So was
            Mehmet the conquerer , and many other sultans ..
            Mustafa Kemal also had his dalliances …
            The percentage of gays in Greece and turkey is exactly the same ..as it is everywhere else ..
            So by all means make your logical points ..
            But please leave your distorted views on sexual orientation and lack of bravery … out of it ..
            Otherwise you run the risk of sounding like an idiot …
            And that’s putting it mildly

          • ben solo

            Yes,make us then if you can.
            Oh yeah sorry the only thing greeks can do is bla bla bla bla……….

          • Tyroneez

            @ben solo above
            Is that the best you can do my friend …
            Can’t you even think of one valid point or reasoned argument , you could make instead ??
            We would actually like to hear your points … If you have any … As you quite rightly point out …we Hellenes love a political or foreign policy debate ….
            Maybe it’s because our ancestors invented both of the above , along with all the other disciplines , that mark out the change from hunted gatherer to the more complex elements of human civilisation …
            But I am surprised that you have not much to say , as you too are almost certainly a direct descendant of Anatolian Greeks …
            Come , make your ancestors proud for once …
            Try a little logical banter !!!

          • ben solo

            The only thing you do is make us Turks the ‘bad boys’of the neighbourhood,instead of trying to come to compromises between the two people.
            Its your atitude against us that makes it useless to argue with you people,therefor only the same comments.
            You should get it in your head that the only way to solve problems between the two nations is by dialoge and the way you are acting,is why my comments are as they are.
            There is nothing you can do but try to build a future without insults and treats.
            Do you like it when someone allways makes the same remarks about your country and people?
            We dont have no problems with Greece but apperently we are your biggest enemies.
            So instead of ‘bla bla bla’my point is do something about it.
            Your taking the wrong turn.
            Btw,you cant call me friend if you keep insulting my people or country.

          • Tyroneez

            @ben solo above
            This is why you cannot be reasoned with , you cannot understand that I have never insulted your country or your people …. Only your governments actions …
            This is the duty of any citizen , if I was Turkish I would oppose the Turkish governments present policy …
            I would have supported turkut Osal’s foriegn policy … But not tunsu chillers ….
            To opose your governments policies , does not equate to treason …
            Here in London half the population disagrees with the governments economic policy … And 90 % disagree with it’s foreign policy …
            It’s your duty as a citizen to question your governments action , all the time …
            As to your point … about using dialogue , regarding disputes …
            It is in fact the Turkish government , that refuses any dialogue …
            Greece has asked turkey to go to the international court at the Hague …and if the court awards turkey half the Aegean Greece will accept it …
            But turkey says it will build up it’s forces , and take it by force …???
            On Cyprus … Turkey had the right to intervene , only to restore the 1960 constitution …
            But not to partition the country and try and create a second artificially Turkish majority state ?? By ethnic cleansing and illegal settlers …
            Russia has recreated all the PRE WAR republics including all thd Turkic ones …. Even though ethnic Russians are the majority in all these republics IE Tataria , Bashkeria , Chuvash … There separate republic status is recognised , as a mark of respect for the 40% Turkic element of the population there …
            The Turks have already taken the major of our common state during and after WWI …
            The Turks got Anatolia … And the Greeks kept the islands , that chapter is over now …
            The only way to share everything again is within the EU … We will share the Aegean and you will share Anatolia … It only works both ways …
            It’s the only way forward … Hurry up and join us , and we can move ahead together as brothers , all of us Turks , kurds , Greeks , Armenians , Assyrians etc …but only as equals … Not like before when Christians had no rights ..
            Let’s show these western Europeans what we are capable of … Instead of turkey trying to take everything by force … It will only lead to war …
            Were do you expect the Greeks of the islands to go ???
            America ??
            the Turkish state and people have refused to set up an Armenian autonomous area within turkey , in the former heavily Armenian provinces , or to even allow those decendents of Armenian ottoman citizens that so wish , to return …
            The Turkish government will not even recognise autonomy for the Kurdish majority areas in eastern turkey … Were the population is still majority Kurdish …
            It doesn’t have to be one large area … It could be one for the ZAZA speakers in tunceli … one for the Kurmanchi speakers around diarbakir … Etc etc …
            That still leaves 90% of the country as completely Turkish …it’s so much better than denial and suppression …
            The policies are all wrong …
            If you still feel that I’m insulting your country and people , than you have understood nothing at all …
            I am a son of Greek Cypriot parents born and raised and live in London … All my friends are Turks from turkey , Kurds , turkish Cypriots , Iranians and only one Greek Cypriot … I love Turkish people and play Turkish music in my home and car all the time …
            I have visited turkey and the people are amazing … Turkish government policy is a completely different matter though …so I will continue to call you friend and you can call me enemy … But you will be completely wrong

          • ben solo

            Who said we like they ways of our current gouvernment?Nobody cares about this gouvernment but,the current situation is what it is.The only bad thing here is their foreign policy,when you watch carefully the minorities have never had so many rights as they have now.
            It wasnt me who voted for them.This gouvernment for some reason is going towards the Arab world why ?The arabs will stab us in the back again and there is nothing we can do they (AKP)have the power now.Nobody in Turkey wants your islands NOBODY but you should be reasonable lets use the Eagean together then there will be no problems at all,if you keep coming with impossible demands how can we accept this.If it were up to Greece all of the Eagean is Greek teritory.I live at the Dutch,Greman border i have many Greek friends and they never try to make my country look bad,only on forums this happens.You should vist our forum TRDEFENCE

        • V Lottari

          Greece actually has 13,676 km of coastline – including the islands. You cannot discount the islands in this discussion – Greece is made up of it’s islands. By comparison Turkey has 7,200 km, according to the CIA World Factbook.

          • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

            That still doesn’t explain why we have no EEZ in Aegean and Mediterranean sea with 7200km maritime borders according to Greek fantasy map above.

          • Phoevos

            Onur. EEZ has nothing to do with coastline. If it did, then Russia which is the largest nation on earth and with a huge coastline, it would have the largest EEZ. As we said before the #1 EEZ is the US (and not because of its coastline) and #2 is France (definetely not for its coastline).

            Just to put you at ease. This is no longer a matter that is subject to discussion between Greece and Turkey. It falls under the procedures, norms, regulations of the European law and has already been decided.

            1. There is nothing we can do to change European law and 2. Even if we did, it would not be for the charms of Turkey. So, foget about it. Deal is sealed and delivered.

          • http://twitter.com/Tweets4Onur Onur O.

            Fck the EUSSR laws. I hope (most likely it will) EUSSR gets destroyed soon. I am sure no one will even remember it like USSR, even you guys wont remember it for once you return to drachma.

            We will see how this will end Phoevos. I remind you once again, EUSSR laws means nothing to us. We are not a slave of them unlike you.

          • Phoevos

            Onur: Calm down. In such case you understand why we have to obey the law and not the Sultan of colon cancer.

          • RIGHTbutJUSTright

            my friend, there is not (there cannot be) any european law relating to eez or maritime regulations. those things are subject to international regulations and agreements between the sides to the matter!

          • Tyroneez

            @WRONGbutJUSTwrong … above
            Are you by any chance , referring to the International regulations that Turkey refuses to accept ??

          • Makos

            The Law of the Sea is one of them (that also became part of the EU legislation) which due to the huge majority of countries that signed and implemented it is considered de facto applicable even to countries that refused to sign it.

      • RIGHTbutJUSTright

        this greek map is illegal. international court of the UN had refused greece sue against turkey relating to eez. we know greeks well that they are very good to make their own propaganda even if you are not right!!!!

        • Tyroneez

          @WRONGbutJUSTwrong…above
          Exactly Which international court of the UN are you talking about … My Freind
          And which LAW SUIT ??

  • Eric R.

    I think Israel ought to create an organization called “EMTO” (a name inspired by NATO) – the Eastern Mediterranean Treaty Organization, designed to head off the ambitions of an Islamist Turkey. It would include Israel, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Serbia, Armenia and Georgia.

    • Phoevos

      Eric:

      A bit off topic. But I came across this and I thought you might be interested in tracking:

      http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

    • Katharina

      Great idea Eric! But unfortunatly, Bulgaria has been ‘invaded’ by Turkey, like in Central Asia! So, best not to include Bulgaria.

      • kodlu ulusdagi

        Bulgarian parliament just apologised for ethnic pressures on its Turkish minority, so Katharina what’s your opinion on that? There are Turkish minorities everywhere in the Balkans. At least you don’t take the laughable position like Greeks and call them “muslims”, thank you for that.

        • Eric R.

          Kodlu, as you have probably seen on this site, the Israelis and Bulgarians just signed a defence agreement. Bulgaria is scared s**tless of the new Islamonazi emperor Erdogan the (Not So) Magnificent. She fears that her Turkish minority will become a fifth column.

    • kodlu ulusdagi

      Continue dreaming. Israel is more isolated than ever in its history.

      • Eric R.

        Keep listening to Erdogan’s Islamo-nazi propaganda, Kodlu. Israel has more diplomatic relations now than 30 years ago, and trade is booming where it counts – with India, China, Japan and Korea, and not with the dying nations of Western Europe, which are turning Islamic anyway.

        Besides, as I told Emre, thanks to that Nazi Erdogan in power, Turkey has assured itself that if Israel is destroyed, her nukes will wipe out 40 million of your people, and the rest will wish they were dead. There will be craters where Istanbul and Ankara once stood.

  • Sikoseto

    Does anyone else love it when Turks come on this website and get absolutely burnt

    • Nobletool

      @Sikoseto.
      Meanwhile i love to have them here on this board.
      Their presents is a great sign how much it hurts them that
      Greeks resist to obey and believe the bla bla of the mainstream
      news.
      They captured Constantinople, Smyrna, North Cyprus.
      Now it´s time to Turkey to claim and to take control of our
      soil resources.Also to strengthen their people in Thrace.
      With the target to create a separation.
      I predict a conflict in Thrace in the next 10 or 15 years.
      A Greek Kosovo.In their minds we are infidels, slaves, tributaries.
      Greece doesn´t exists, it´s their territory.
      For what reason all the concentrated forces along the northern border?
      A country of 75 millions has to fear a small country like Greece?

      In that moment Greece acts to protect it´s sovereignty by force in a case
      of a organized roit or something like that, they invade Thrace like North Cyprus to “protect” their people.
      Why their engagement in Albania and FYROM?
      The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
      Apparently it´s no accident that the US is taking so much
      care of the Turkish minority in Thrace.Think about it.
      We ar good advised to strenghten our relationship with
      Russia.Their statement about the status of Kosovo is clear and constant,
      let me say secure.No such a hocus-pocus without substance you can hear
      from the UN for example.
      I love the USA, but their foreign politics are another story.

  • Nobletool

    I don´t understand Greeks discussing Greek issues with Turks.
    What do you think you win?
    To change his opinion?
    Do understand hm?
    To win him as friend?