The Foreign Policy Survey: Greece top candidate to be kicked out of the alliance

In advance of the May 20-21 summit of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in Chicago, Foreign Policy and the Atlantic Council asked dozens of experts about the role of the alliance today. Heads of state, ministers of defense and foreign affairs, intelligence officers, and current and former members of U.S. Congress were among the respondents who answered our call. Although none of them thought NATO should cease to exist or that the United States would be better off leaving the alliance, they were less certain about whether NATO can adapt to a changing geopolitical and military landscape — and just who will foot the bill for future operations.

They rated Greece, currently struggling to repay its crushing debt load, the top candidate to be kicked out of the alliance, exhibited deep divides on how to handle a troubled relationship with Russia, predicted that NATO would be unable to pull off another Libya-style intervention three years from now, and overwhelmingly viewed the Afghan mission as a failure.

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  • Solinariforever

    Very strange for a US magazine to ask this ridiculous question of nations.. if it actually happened!
    Someone must have paid a pretty penny to put that article in place. I wonder who it may be… ho.. ho… ho… money lost in the wind!
    Again… it is geopolitics stupid!!!!!
    Greece will get out of NATO when it is good and ready. NOT A MINUTE BEFORE.
    Keep on putting her on the edge and she may just decide to pull out on its own. That will be a sad day for NATO believe me!

    • Makos

      Dear Solinariforever, no one is discussing the possibility of kicking any nation out of NATO. The focus is rather on expanding it with new members. Putting the question in the first place to these ‘experts’ (or experts) is a weird thing. I guess the power of lobbying can be very effective ruining the credibility of an established publication such as the FP. Too bad. But we all know who spends a lot of money on this kind of lobbying in the US. We all also know who tries to benefit the most from the Greek economic crisis….

  • Tyroneez

    Such a crazy article …
    NATO exists to shield the USA and western Europe from it’s superpower rival … RUSSIA
    NATO recently even recruited all the former Russian satellites into it’s ranks , before Russia recovers from the soviet collapse …
    From the very beginning it was established so as to pull together the western European powers and north America to focus on keeping Russia out of the Mediterranean …
    Thus Greece and turkey are and have always been the lynchpin of NATO and it’s raison-d’être ….
    Britain and France and laterly the USA … Have spent 300 years keeping Russia out of the meditteranean and the middle east …. And They are not going to just abandon this vital policy now !!
    NATO without Greece is just inconceivable and would be completely pointless ??
    Russia would be in there / Like a shot
    Who are these ignorant (so called) American experts ??
    Who don’t even seem to understand what NATO is about ??
    It was never set up for the benefit of Greece …
    But for the legitimate strategic interests of the western powers
    It’s Greece that is doing them the favour … And not the otherway round …
    Not that it has ever had much choice …
    It suffered a brutal 4 year proxy war 1945 to 1949 … Fought on it’s territory … Between the western powers and the soviets With 200,000 dead innocent Greek civilians …
    On top of WWII and the 4 year Nazi occupation
    The country was totally ruined …
    It was the first and last time the west was able (militarily) to retake control of a country from a determine soviet push …
    Korea 1956
    Vietnam 1967
    Were not successful
    Having regained Greece from the soviet threat , they are hardly going to let it go , now are they ??
    Hence NATO was set up to keep them out permanently …
    And I’m not saying this as a , chauvinist Greek …
    It just happens to be the facts …

  • Paul

    Just read this article after first reading “Greece: It’s the geopolitics, stupid!” In the latter article, all the very valid geopolitical reasons for keeping Greece in the Eurozone are the same for Greece remaining in NATO. Perhaps the “respondents” of the FP “NATO poll” who suggested Greece as the “top candidate to be kicked out of NATO” should give it a read…

  • Emre

    The reason that Greece was voted as the first country to leave Nato is because you cannot support any kind of mission due to economical crisis. As Greece is already in EU, it cannot act as a single country against Russia front. Greece is too small to act against EU, France and Germany. So Greece would have no say in Russia situation. (there goes out the Russia point)
    Oh and I wonder why the “problem maker”, “rogue” Turkey who vetoed Israel’s participation in Nato’s meetings in Chicago wasn’t voted as one of the leavers :)
    @Solina: Stop dreaming. Greece at the moment or in the future wouldn’t ever dare to leave Nato. Turkey, Greece Nato members, remember? Greece’s paranoia of Turkey attacking Greece, remember? Leaving Nato? So think again…. :)
    Greece is already on the edge but you don’t want to know. Perhaps you guys leaving in US and UK or outside of Greece don’t know exactly what the real situation is in Greece. People are struggling to live and they are already on the edge. I wonder how you guys ignore a simple voting made amongst NATO members and continue thinking that you are the best and that Nato would die without Greece etc? Please be reasonable, try to understand why people voted for Greece? It is ALWAYS the others are wrong! God, proudness don’t change your problems. If you had your national proudness directed to your daily problems, economical problems, social problems, Greece was a top country now :)

  • Oxinato

    Greece should leave NATO!
    NATO cannot even follow their own treaty let alone international laws and treaties including Human Rights and the Geneva Conventions!

    Greece would be better served joining into a military alliance with the BRICS nations. They have more cash and about half the world’s population without the debt burden’s of the West. This could spur tourism especially with China and India. Russia having massive energy resources and a full compliment of strategic nuclear weapons helps also.

    Russia is and should be a traditional ally with Greece i.e. same religious background.

    • Tyroneez

      @oxinato above
      My dear friend , as you must know , the western powers fought the first proxy , anti communist war , on Greek soil …1945 to 1949 ….. They lost china , but regained Greece …
      It happened again on Korea in 1956
      and later in Vietnam 1967
      Without much success …
      In fact Greece is the only country … Ever to have been won back by the west , by sheer force of arms …
      But it was Greece that paid the price snd was utterly destroyed
      And 200,000 Greeks lost their lives …
      The western powers have claimed Greece as being in their sphere of influence …a long long time ago …
      In fact From the moment Britain and France sent their Ships to navarino … Purely to keep the Russians from dominating , in this newly independent orthodox state … Nearly 200 hundred years ago … The dye was caste for Greece …
      There is no escaping it … Leaving NATO is impossible …
      Likewise NATO will not expel Greece
      As NATO was created to keep Greece out of the hands of Russia …the western powers are hardly going to hand the country and it’s Mediterranean frontage to the Russians are they …
      EMRE has missed the point again … These were not the official NATO delegates … But some so called experts attending as observers !!!just giving their I’ll informed opinions ..

    • Makos

      No my friend! nnot now! Circumstances and interests in the region are turning in our favor. The hydrocarbons discoveries are siding the US with us. Moreover the independent policy aspired by Turkey will eventually lead to a confrontation of interests. The US and Turkey will never be as close as in the past.

    • Solinariforever

      Oxinato
      I was twelve when I asked a wise man… “Why is Greece not leaving NATO”? His answer, “because a lone sheep is 89% of the time eaten by the big bad wolf”.
      I grew out of it and know he was wise!
      You are either too young or too confused by the current events – give it some time and you will know why we will not leave NATO.

      • Tyroneez

        @oxinato above
        It’s not that Greece will not leave NATO … it’s that Greece will never be allowed to leave …
        NATO was set up to keep the Russians out of Greece …
        Greece was claimed and fought over by the west , (the greek civil war) they will never let it go …
        Greece is actually in more danger , inside NATO … Because any dispute with Turkey has always been portrayed as an inter-allied dispute … And that it is nobody else’s business …
        But if Greece were not a member … Then any clash with turkey , instantly becomes a Russian versus western issue …
        It would be a completely different ball game …( ah im dreaming again )
        Not that I’m advocating that Greece should try and pull out of NATO ..Or the EURO … Because if you try and push against the powers , they will destroy you …( Look at Syria ) ..
        Something mr erdogan , is learning fast …
        He thought that turkey was too big to tow the line …
        He thinks turkey is a SUPERPOWER !!!
        He has just learned the hard way … That medium powers have to obey the orders of the alpha power …
        And in NATO … That alpha power is none other than the USA …
        If your lucky sometimes , your strategic interests coincide with those of the USA … Than you will do very well indeed …
        IE
        Britain , during and since WWII
        Israel since 1948
        Turkey 1974
        If however your interests clash with the USA then you don’t do so well …
        Greece 1967 to 1974
        It seems that Turkey’s recent misbehavour … Has put them on the naughty step … For awhile …
        And about time too
        Belatedly it seems , ISRAEL and the USA have SUDDENLY realised that their vital interests , depend on the Greeks long standing resistance to Turkish , hegemony in the eastern Mediterranean !!!
        Dahhh ???
        Maybe it’s true , that nobody in the USA … Ever reads a history book …
        But for the Israelis to make such a monumental miscalculation over so many decades … Is astounding ..
        They obviously learned nothing from the fiasco of backing the Shah’s Iran …

        • Solinariforever

          Tyron, ditto,
          Thanks, of course!

        • Ryan

          I’m confused why you think we give a fuck about Greece? You must be that stupid. Explain why Greece matters in the big scheme of things? It doesn’t. Your heavily in debt, and yes I realize our debt is larger, but we actually have an economy not predicated on tourism. You must still be living the glory years of Greece, thousands of years ago. News flash, you haven’t done shit since the Turkish kicked your ass the first time. Greece should be kicked out of NATO for the sheer fact you bring absolutely nothing to the table. Secondly, turkey should be kicked out for being detrimental to the continued aim of NATO. Honestly, name one reason we should give a shit if Greece left NATO? Do you have the main NATO ground and air forces in your country? Nope, that’s in your good friends turkey. Are you a strategic importance? Yet again, no. I would say turkey is more of a strategic importance in today’s world. You bring nothing but terrible food and ugly women to the party, congrats.

  • Henrik Ræder Clausen

    Greece..?

    The real danger to the Western world comes from Turkey. They need severe reassessment, in particular due to their willful neglect of international law. Still occupying Cyprus? Come on…

    • guest

      as soon as the Europeans see again Turkish soldiers at the outskirts of Vienna again they will wake up.
      this is the real danger.
      for the moment the cold war between Greece and Turkey is the only measure that keeps them on hold…

  • guest

    GO AHEAD…
    MAKE THAT DAY…

  • guest

    nobody in Greece wants to leave the European Union or NATO or UN or any other institution we are part of. This is all media rubbish.
    go ahead ask the people the citizens of the country !!!

    • Tyroneez

      @guest above
      The Greek prime minister , George papandraeou … Was planning a referendum … Exactly on this question …
      Q / do you want to stay in the EURO
      A/ yes
      End of story … 3 years left to go before elections …plenty of time to sort the budget deficit
      But MR new democracy samarras … Demanded elections , because he thought he would surely win …
      He didn’t want to listen to wiser heads …
      Now we are in a total mess …
      I predict that only a referendum will save the day …
      We threw out the best prime minister we have had in a generation …
      And now we are faced with the prospect of these lightweights … Running the country …
      I just hope we don’t , come to regret it …

  • http://www.facebook.com/Phoevos Dean Plassaras
    • Tyroneez

      @Dean above
      Exactly / it is turkey who is rocking the NATO boat …
      Not that I am a supporter of NATO …By any means